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Since I only own 2 rods both by the same company I don't have a clue about this... as swimbait rods get more heavy duty, are there big rods that still have tip to them, or do they all kind of lose that the heavier they are? There is a huge difference between my xh and xxh. Is that more of a custom rod build type deal or are there production rods that throw 8-12oz that still have a good tip?

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I don't know what your looking for? Sensitivity? Throwing a 13oz bait like a mother requires strength over sensitivity.. that being said with my custom build phenix I can feel the bait move directions, bump into objects and when it's not swimming right.. the shear size of the bait is relative to the rod, reel and line diameter/test you should feel the action..if you can't feel these things then imo your bait is too light for the rod.. even if it fits into the "lure rating".. even the small 3# fish that hit my mother felt like a tank.. when your fishing that large of a bait I dont think your looking for the tink tink of a tiny fish.. they are usually highly aggressive

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I just watched that video this morning actually. I guess what I'm really getting at here is, when you get into rods that can throw double digit oz. size baits, is there still a search for wether or not it's parabolic, or are rods built to handle that kind of weight stiff sticks mainly through the whole blank?

 

I'm aiming to get a rod this winter for true giant baits, but don't really have any insight of what to look for or what the rod will/should feel like seeing as how nobody I know around me has anything like that.

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So I'm open to being wrong.. but my research on custom builds had led me to this

 

First off by definition a parabolic bending rod is going to be a slow action.. more suited for those big heavy soft jig hook baits

 

Which led me to my xxh mother build on a phenix black diamond 909xhj that was butt cut to 8'6".. The xhj jigging rod has a fast action tip.. not considered parabolic..a jigging rod has that more sensitive higher tip bend with a stiff backbone.. this build will easily load my mother/ Hinkle and other baits in that 10-13oz size

 

I can't compare from experience but the Roman centurion mother limited rod is only 8'.. after throwing a deps on my 8' heavy and my 8'6" xh i love the extra 6" 😅..

 

All my builds are on the phenix.. and tho I like the 800h classic..i prefer the black diamond.. I'm currently exploring building a new heavy in the 8'3"- 8-6" range

 

Just my opinion based on experience.. these rods will not be inexpensive..$400-800 easy

 

I know guys like Ceasar have been testing Spiralite rods which are a lot more affordable and he seems to like em.. and there is always the Dobyns route

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I'll add my view as well. In short, it's relevant to situation.

 

As suggested, feel and fit of assembly are important. The reel counts, too. It's a system. Different type line, and to lesser extent diameter of line, factors to equation. And I don't care what anybody says, there is no such thing as a 'do it all' assembly. You'll need at least three in my opinion. It's an expensive sport, deal with it.

 

Thanks to Slants action attachment, it's easy to see the difference. In application, to me, it boils down to hookset. Right tool for the right job, what it can throw and how it feels are only half of it. The lesser half.

 

Action characteristic has purpose. As a baseline, all else being equal, faster taper lends to treble, slower taper lends to single point. Size of assembly has little to do with it.

 

Slower taper, more bend, more leverage on hookset. It's a shorter lever, hence more thrust. Benefit is you'll more easily sink that big upper single into tough upper jawbone. These fish are generally hooked.

 

Faster taper, less bend, less leverage on hookset. It's a longer lever, hence less thrust. Benefit is greater tip feel and tip control to play those multiple treble points as they do their part holding your catch. These fish are generally stuck.

 

Relevant to hookset at cast length, and I've little doubt some will argue otherwise until blue in face and that's fine. I'm not interested in debate, just sharing thoughts. I'm not saying any stick might not catch any fish. But I am saying some sticks are better within specific situation than others. There is no escaping law of physics.

 

Peace.

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I always thought opposite. Parabolic action was better suited for treble hook baits. Fast action for jig hook style baits. Parobolic to keep treble hooked baits pinned during head shakes. Fast action to have a stiffer tip for better hook penetration.

 

Also what I prefer

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When it comes to baits that size its a whole diff ball game for me. Im dont care if i lose a 4lber cuz the rod didnt flex. And honestly I dont know many people that will really stick with a bait over 9 ozs all day. I fish my 11.5 oz glides and those are very big. For my 12.5oz rat I use a saltwater rod. For that 11.5 oz glide I can use the 8'6 Spiralite Defiant series, but I feel thats def the top of its range. Not that it doesnt fish it well, cuz it does. But larger than that, i dont even know what baits that are available that are 12oz+. I prefer a Moderate fast on my heavy duty rods, not sure on the taper for the 908, but lots of talented guys use them so im sure they are up to the challenge. Mod fast offers the best of both worlds, which is fine for me. Works great for soft and hardbaits. 

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So this brings up my final head scratching question.. in general.. you have a rod, production or custom(don't know if you can change it with a custom or not) a rod to throw 10-13+oz baits, do you have one for treble hook baits and single hook baits, or at that weight of bait does it matter anymore? Slant... how does your rod load when you've got a fish in your mother?

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So this brings up my final head scratching question.. in general.. you have a rod, production or custom(don't know if you can change it with a custom or not) a rod to throw 10-13+oz baits, do you have one for treble hook baits and single hook baits, or at that weight of bait does it matter anymore? Slant... how does your rod load when you've got a fish in your mother?

My rod when built I was told would throw 10-14oz.. the mother depending on model is app 12-13oz..i do not feel it overloads the rod one bit..i can fling it.. however.. like Ceasar mentioned you aren't gonna throw 12+oz all day.. if you do.. your not hucking it..i still fish my mother are targets.. I've never been the guy to try and huck a bait to space and retrieve..i can side cast without much load on the rod easily 75' because of the weight of the bait just sails..

 

I don't fish 12+oz soft baits.. only a few exist we would consider swimbaits and if I did it'd probably be BB rigged with trebles looking for a stuck fish rather than a hookset

 

So..i only have the one big bait build..i have an I rod rated to 10oz if I wanted to go that route even tho its not the ideal taper either..i have the means to build whatever whenever and not feel the pain if it doesn't work.. if I was budget conscious I'd most likely lean toward the Dobyns 908..i had the 867 and it was a good rod..i think def more suited for trebles

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