Mountainryan Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 Hey SU, other than sticking some great fish the last week i have been struggling with line issues. I roll 65 lb powerpro braid on my 2-8oz rod and was running 20lb sniper on my 5-10 oz rig. So the issue started with the heavier rig, i started to cast off baits. No back lash, not dramatic line stops. In fact some came off mid arch of the cast or just as i let off my thumb pressure. i would feel some resistance in the line and off goes the bait. The sniper had been on a season and was getting beat up so I replaced it with 65lb powerpro. Literally third cast with a near new 250 and off it lobs. not a hard cast, a side arm lob, rod was barely loaded up. Then on my light rod i threw two baits off. No knot failure, no backlash just that slight feeling if drag on the line and gone. In each of these the broken end of the line "tapered" off from full braid to a wisp of strands over an inch or so. i remember reading about guys talking about line looking this way but no way to search that. I checked my guides and tip and they seem intact in fact one lire broke off in the middle of the rod ( line end was at 3rd eyelet). The heavy set up is an okuma sbx and i think it has a tangle-only tip. worst i have ever used but could that be the culprit? i usually drop some line before i cast so i would feel it. I recovered most baits and swam for the deps but never found her. This is an expensive game but i cant keep losing baits like that haha. Thanks SU, TIght lines. Ryan gapedSip 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trav Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 My experience with braid, the slightest overspin will cause the braid to cut through itself and launch a bait. Without any loud snaps or backlashes, that split second of losing control of the spool is all that was needed. Mountainryan and Willluvstafish 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountainryan Posted October 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 Its weird because i have been using this braid for months with no issues. The tranx on the heavy set up almost never overspins that i know of and was doing the same thing with flouro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danthefisherman Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 My first guess was the guides. My second would be the worm gear on your reel. From what you described it sounds like the braid is catching on some abrasive surface and not snapping from the force of the cast. Pike Mike and nwkurt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northeast_trev Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 sounds like if you can stop the backlash, you can stop the bait from coming off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpoppabass Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 1. with an ny nonbraid fluoro type line, u need to be careful spooling so that spool never twists. In most cases u will figure if u did it right or not within first couple of uses. 2. 65 power pro is strong stuff. I have not yet ventured into the new age pp which has a much smaller diameter. The trend towards smaller diameter breaking strengths has always made me nervous. Braid near rock is break off city. 3. I always do test casts after a new spooling. I take the time to feel the line on a long cast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danthefisherman Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 *Worm gear/level wind/line guide whatever you call it. I used to have line pinch into spinning reels or fray on defects on the roller and imagine the same can happen on a baitcaster if it is damaged in any way. And to make it clear: Ryan is not experiencing backlash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BASS_SWINGER Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 No bueno staybaway from braid marc626 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoblinSlayer Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 I think your overpowering your cast bro. Believe it or not everytime you cast you build up more muscle and memorie in your arms, shoulders and your sides. When i started chasing big hybrids from shore everybody used 11ft surf rods and i was using a medium 7ft bass rod. At first my arm hurt like hell but eventually i was hitting 100 yards plus easily out with a slab. No all my buddies use the same setup and we all can cast that far out without transporting huge rods back and fourth to the lake. Some of the guys break rods in a week from their cast and they just replace em with cheepies. I aint hybrid fished in a while and can still pack a punch like no other even with a swimbait rod. 50lb braid, 30lb mono, 25lb floro with a 2.5oz swimbait and i still have to limit my swing or just take a chance loosing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoblinSlayer Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 I was actually thinking about going up to 65lb braid buts still decided thats not enough. And i think 100lb is to much cause then ill be breaking my megabass rod and thats a no bueno. The only alternative i came up with is (ssshhhhh dont laugh) go with a super cheap rod thats ocean rated- i got it for 17$ and 100lb braidbim gonna stick on it with a cheap round abu im gonna build up. Ill let ya know what happens when get it all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MA Frog Man Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 You've got a sharp edge somewhere. You don't just start casting off baits one day out of the blue. The fact that it's happening on both makes me think that the damage happened to the two rods while they were next to each other at the same time or maybe how they're being stored nwkurt, brushhawg1, fishinpunk and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sciaramitaro Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 If the guides are fine, you're still casting the same, check the "wind". I find it weird that your bait will snap off in the air without backlash? There has to be some sort of spooling issue or maybe you're thumbing it too hard(giggity). Hope you figure it out, also what are you running for reels? Mountainryan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deaknh Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 I think goblins layer has a point. An over zealous cast, with a slight bit of resistance equals bye bye. Either your thumb or a fast turning free spool can create that resistance. Try dialing down the spool tension so you don't use your thumb as much, and don't horse it out as far as you can, then adjust from there. marc626 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinos240 Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Iv used 65 lb pp for about 3 yrs on my lighter riggs and have never snapped off any lures but dont throw anything over 4 oz on it, i use pline for my bigger baits, sounds like a worm gear issue not laying the line down right on the spool and has a slight bind up imo or mabe some bad pp iv heard the super slick aint that great i use the original stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountainryan Posted October 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Thanks. I do think it's a snag issue. The phenix has a "hook" line keeper low on the R side of the rod. The line running under that could cause some of the issues like the mid rod break off. On the big rod, I don't know. Will run the brakes harder and see if it helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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