went out and got a few with tubin and got my first hard and first gill bait lettin it sink to bottom then slowly reeling in all hittin it with little tick that felt like it was hittin the bottom missed a big one about 4 to 6lbs thought it was bottom kept reelin line got tight and up come the bass shakes its head and out goes my bait cast a few more time at it and then lose my bait witch was shitty but goin back for some more biggins prob friday