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This is pretty much what I feel as well. Those two are the creme de la creme.

Bingo. The market dictates itself whether you agree with the prices or not. There are some guys making some serious profit off of these things but to be honest, a lot of guys paid top dollar. So when you see these things going for 250+, don't get mad, they might just be trying to get back what they paid.

You wont regret it man!

I rig a lot of my hudds the STE way and I cant tell you guys how many times the farthest rear stinger on the bottom was the one that held the fish on. I'm talking 5-9lb fish too. I have also never had a fish gill or gut hooked, although thats all I keep reading about on here with hudds and stingers, though it is certainly plausible.

Sounds like a cool experience. Its crazy how much knowledge you can get on this forum by just reading and making some relationships with guys. So much info is out there, and guys have tried so many things that they can lend advice on. Glad you ran into someone who gave it to you straight.

Some of it has to do with exclusivity but these things GET BIT. Nothing is a magic fish catching bait. You certainly have to fish where the fish are, but in my opinion, the 250 is the closest thing to a Hudd as I could imagine as far as bites per trip. As far as $250, its nuts. It really is. And its hard to justify. But the bait is legit.

Maybe I've been lucky, but I have caught a lot of fish rigged with two belly hooks(STE) and I haven't had one remotely close to being gut or gill hooked. I certainly see the potential for it though. It might have something to do with targeting suspended fish rather than fish near or on the bottom. A lot of the fish actually had the most rear stinger right in the side of the mouth, and was often times the only hook that stuck. I'm pretty sure the first fish I stick that swallows the bait deep could make me change my tactic for good though.

One of the deepest, realest things I've read on here man. Its incredible how things happen, good and bad.

I always look forward to, and enjoy reading, your posts. Thanks for your contribution to this thread and this forum. I think there are certain scenarios where I would be tempted to fish after dark, on closed bodies of water. To me, its generally not worth is. I haven't found a place around me that seems worth the risk, such is the one you describe OP. If its a public access body of water during the day, and it closes at night, i'd probably risk it every once in a while.

Im not doubting butch's skill level one bit. I believe he's a great guy and he's obviously a great stick. But tuning is just tuning. A saiko tuned bait swims in a certain way, but the stock bait also swims in a "certain way". Just like a bait tuned to run deep, instead of shallow runs in a "certain way". Don't get caught up too much in the "but its saiko tuned" conversation. I agree, its all situational. To answer your question about weights. You can add or take away weight to make it swim any way, and almost any depth you desire. I do know that its harder for me to make it swim well at deeper depths. I think the tuning is harder visually, and physically. A lot of tweaking can take place to make it do what you want. Its easily the most versatile glides I've used.