chefchris Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 So got in the gami round bend trebles in 2/0 and 1/0 like butch recommends for the 250 and they don’t sit right at all. Unless I got the wrong ones or they changed something these don’t sit flat against the body like he talks about. the only one that lays flat with one hook point facing out the eye is the wrong orientation, the other two options have two hook points facing out unevenly. maybe I’m missing something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewwang1769 Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 Lol from the second I saw the photo of it on TW i knew it wouldn't sit right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danthefisherman Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 Bummer...I would just add another split ring to rotate the hook and provide more freedom of motion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefchris Posted March 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, danthefisherman said: Bummer...I would just add another split ring to rotate the hook and provide more freedom of motion Yeah I’m just confused now seeing he’s been pushing that hook for so long and it doesn’t sit like how he mentioned. El_Weruso, chevro1et and bigpoppabass 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El_Weruso Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 30 minutes ago, chefchris said: Yeah I’m just confused now seeing he’s been pushing that hook for so long and it doesn’t sit like how he mentioned. Not to down talk him or get anyone riled up... but i would be surprised if he actually divulged in his secrets. I mean what swimbait fisherman would, i listened to his 2 hour podcast and there were times he sounded hesitant as if he was catching himself saying too much info or switch it up. Although this is just my opinion Tony91723, bigpoppabass and Firebaiter 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEEL Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) ... Edited March 16, 2020 by STEEL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mossypumpkin Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 I’d run it like in the second pic. Or try the vmc inline. Personally I think it’s hard to beat an owner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefchris Posted March 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, Mossypumpkin said: I’d run it like in the second pic. Or try the vmc inline. Personally I think it’s hard to beat an owner yes that requires two split rings which is fine and may actually be helpful, he just never mentions that anywhere, I have plenty of other hooks on hand to try as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggerjake Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) I think the 2nd pick set-up with 2 split rings is as close as your gonna get with those without taking pliers to it. Edited March 17, 2020 by jiggerjake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassfiend72 Posted March 17, 2020 Report Share Posted March 17, 2020 I just watched the video about the weights being different in the 250 timeline. This new collaboration? Does it have a different body type? All kinds of stuff flying around from the Master. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeeter102 Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 On 3/16/2020 at 8:32 PM, chefchris said: yes that requires two split rings which is fine and may actually be helpful, he just never mentions that anywhere, I have plenty of other hooks on hand to try as well. What split rings and hooks you swapping out with ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefchris Posted March 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, Skeeter102 said: What split rings and hooks you swapping out with ? That’s the ring Butch runs. He was nice enough to answer my messages. I’m running those Gamakatsu hooks he recommends, but based on the pics he sent me they don’t sit flat with one ring. So I’ll run two of em. im also trying out the owner sty-35 hooks in 2/0 size in front in 1/0 in the back. Hooks are a coated grey color. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nufo Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 26 minutes ago, chefchris said: That’s the ring Butch runs. He was nice enough to answer my messages. I’m running those Gamakatsu hooks he recommends, but based on the pics he sent me they don’t sit flat with one ring. So I’ll run two of em. im also trying out the owner sty-35 hooks in 2/0 size in front in 1/0 in the back. Hooks are a coated grey color. Chis, I think you misunderstood what Butch was talking about. The hooks lay flat as the bait swims because of the light wire. As the bait moves the hooks swing back against the body. Heavier hooks do not. As for the orientation of the hook points, my opinion is that you are over thinking it. If the fish smokes the bait and presses a treble against the bait, two hook points press against the bait and one pokes out hopefully sticking the fish. It doesn't matter how they are orientated for this to happen. Mike bassfiend72, bigpoppabass and Jace D 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcaetano2905 Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) On 3/17/2020 at 12:16 AM, Mossypumpkin said: I’d run it like in the second pic. Or try the vmc inline. Personally I think it’s hard to beat an owner Owner hooks have been my favorites for a long time now. Back when I fished texas rigs a lot I started using Gamakatsu hooks. When I tried Owner EWG worm hooks I never bought Gamakatsu again. Owners are more sharp and stronger. Same with treble hooks. I like both the ST-36 and ST-41. The ST-41 is 2x, so, it's stronger than the 36, but it has the hook points turned in, so, if bass are just slapping the bait and not fully commiting I feel the hook up rate will not be as high as with the 36. If they are really commiting and engulfing the bait then the 41 might be better because your hook up to land ratio will be higher, since it will be harder for a bass to throw those hooks because of the turned in hook points. I think the ST-41 is an hybrid between a round bend and an EWG hook. With that said, I still have a good hook up ration with the ST-41, but I'm starting to use the ST-36 more and more because I prefer a stealthier approach and prefer light wire hooks and I still feel I'll catch more bass on a round bend treble. I wish they made a bronze colored ST-36, but I think I'll start painting my hooks (except the hook points) white or yellow/orange, depending on the color on the swimbait belly. As long as you use a good quality sharp hook and have confidence in it I think you'll do great. Don't know if the hook size and color makes a big difference but I guess it can, specially on pressured lakes. I know people who fish in saltwater for sea bream with a bobber and the anglers who catch the largest breams are the ones who use the smallest possible hooks and cover all of the hook with the bait... Edited March 19, 2020 by mcaetano2905 Mossypumpkin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bighuff714 Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 When the hook is on the bait and in the water it sits better than you think. Just put them on with one split and take it to water before you make the call. You’ll be surprised bigpoppabass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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