JTSwimbaitMan Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) http://www.tacklewarehouse.com/ABT_Lures_Wagtail_85/descpage-ABT8.html#multiview Did ABT just rip off deps, hinkle, and butch brown at the same time? Wow... Edited March 26, 2015 by JTSwimbaitMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iay Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 It's same thing as Fish Arrow and Huddleston worked together for as well. biggfeast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggfeast Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Also ripped off Huddleston and Fish Arrow and the Huddle Jack lure that they created..... ABT is at it again lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggfeast Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 The soft plastic in a hard bait to BB rig is pretty original tho (to my knowledge), ill give them credit for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTSwimbaitMan Posted March 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Oh yeah. I forgot the huddle jack, I knew I missed something... crazy. They most likely saw the MLO review a while back when they made the original wagtail and said lets rip that off... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakefromClearLake Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 American Bait Thieves. Doin' what they do best! NorthTexasSwimbaiter, Darth Baiter, Bass nutz and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyW Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) I will never Own a ABT lure after seeing what the did to hinkle , ill leave it at that, all there baits I use to own I through in the lake on purpose literally. at same time I realize it's very popular in the fishing world and it's the nature of the beast. just my 2cents Edited March 26, 2015 by JeremyW thedonnguyen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llPa1nll Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Wow, if there isn't a specific patent covering the design claims then it is pretty much legit scoopdaloop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattlures Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) The first bait I remember seeing like that design was a hard bait by Rago but I don't remember the name of it. Same design except for the hook on top. I just googled it and they were called Rago hard tails. Same design different hook scroll down and you will see it Sorry for the link I couldn't figure out how to post the pic. But ABT has had a hard wagtail for a long time and I am not sure who made them first. Edited March 27, 2015 by swimbaitunderground JTSwimbaitMan and gradycodd 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooks19604 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 There you go matt MichiganBassman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoopdaloop Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Wonder if the urethane insert is replaceable? I'd like to see it swim. From a business standpoint, ABT is smart. They implement ideas and designs in their lures that aren't patent protected. While ABT is taking ideas from their competitors, still legal. That's competition. I'm sorry but you can't hate on competition, its the driving force in any dynamic market. In the end, ABT is still playing kinda dirty. everythingthatswims, gradycodd and ZNorris 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iay Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) Look at the Vision 110, Rick Clunn and Boyd Duckett wanted that piece of the pie and came up with their "own" version. Nothing illegal about it, but I am surely not going to support them : P Edited March 26, 2015 by iay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyW Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Wonder if the urethane insert is replaceable? I'd like to see it swim. From a business standpoint, ABT is smart. They implement ideas and designs in their lures that aren't patent protected. While ABT is taking ideas from their competitors, still legal. That's competition. I'm sorry but you can't hate on competition, its the driving force in any dynamic market. In the end, ABT is still playing kinda dirty. very true- just saying I wont buy them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Power Swimbaits Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Just from looking at the photo looks like they made their own tail and they did have the first hardbait I can remember having a swimming tail even though the tail on that one was pretty much a knockoff hudd tail. I will give credit where it's due but I will not buy one no matter how it swims or catches fish. Company showed it's true character and how it operates with the Hinkle thing and trying to spin it after being caught. JeremyW and jcolo4sho 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Power Swimbaits Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Wonder if the urethane insert is replaceable? I'd like to see it swim. From a business standpoint, ABT is smart. They implement ideas and designs in their lures that aren't patent protected. While ABT is taking ideas from their competitors, still legal. That's competition. I'm sorry but you can't hate on competition, its the driving force in any dynamic market. In the end, ABT is still playing kinda dirty. Here is the thing though. the swimbait market is still small with a lot of smaller companies. Many of us don't charge what we could get for our baits trying to be fair to the customer. Now what if I had a bait that is real innovative or an idea better than this ABT bait that makes a simaler bait that is twice as good. I now have to worry about ABT stealing the design because of the way they have shown they do business. Guess what just happened to my prices with every ABT bait sold. I see that the customers will support them and buy their baits even after being caught with the Hinkle stuff so the price of my baits have to go up to pay for patents, attorneys and/or ensuring I make a profit from any new design. That is if I were to ever make the bait. I may decide it's not just worth the effort, risk or cost and no one will ever see it. Mattlures, lwhite115, waynem and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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